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Interview between The Banker and Youssef Boutros-Ghali, The Minister of Finance of Egypt
QU: Please assess the state of the Egyptian economy?
The economy has recovered. It has turned the corner.  The growth rate has gone up from 3.5% to 6.%. Growth was 3.2% in 2004, it went up to 5.2% in 2005 and we are anticipating 6% for 2006. We  are anticipating 6.7% to 6.9% for 2007.

There is a large push coming from investment, there is a large push coming from consumer spending. There is an  equally large push coming from gas discoveries coming on stream. These were made over the last three or four years ago, and now they are beginning to produce.

The budget deficit is still large, at 6% to 8% of  gross domestic product. We are just coming out of five years of stagnation, and  therefore revenues started to stagnate while expenditure did not.

The tax and customs reform has increased tax and custom revenues and over the next three years, I expect the budget deficit will decline. I am anticipating the budget deficit will fall to between 2% and 3% by 2010 or 2011.

Inflation is down. It has been as high as 17%, but is now of the order of 3.2%. The average for the year is 3.7%.

The balance of payments and current accounts are in surplus. Exports are growing by an average of 30% per year, so employment in that sector is growing by the same amount.

The exchange rate is stable.  It has tendencies to appreciate but fortunately it has not done so to any great extent. It has protected the tradable sector.

QU: What is the motor for the economy?
Confidence! Investor spending confidence, tax and customs reform have restored confidence in the investor community. They started investing, consumer spending followed. This was followed by foreign direct investment. FDI has gone from $400m in 2003 to $6 billion today.

The country’s resources were under-utilised, ill-managed, not doing well.  Once you start managing it slightly better, and utilising your resources slightly more efficiently, the economy responds very quickly.

QU: Which are the growth sectors?
Manufacturing, constructions, petro-chemicals, and the service sector, tourism. These are the growth sectors, driven by increased consumption, increased exports, and increased investment.
QU: Does Egypt benefit from the petro-dollar price hike?
No. we are not harmed by it, and we are not benefited by it. We pretty much break even. We import as much as we export, pretty much. The rise in prices cancels itself out.
QU: To what extent do Gulf investors contribute to the economy?
They contribute mostly to real estate, for the moment. They get into large real estate development projects, developing hundreds of millions of metres into cities, hotels, malls…
QU: To what extent is the  new government responsible for the new reform and liberalisation of the economy?
It is entirely the responsibility of the new government, despite the fact that some of us have been around for a while, like me! The drive has come from the new Government. . The new Government. has achieved a  critical mass of reformers in the Cabinet. I used to be alone as the reformer in the Cabinet, so I didn’t have the critical necessary to push through reforms. Now we do. There is a dominance of reformers in the Cabinet, and whatever reform is required is pushed through.
QU: Where are the new reforms to take place? Where are there still blockages?
No blockages, things take time. Bureaucracy in the chemicals and some industrial sectors, the subsidy needs to be reformed and cleaned up. Everything takes time.
QU: Do you have plans to borrow in the international capital markets.
We may. We don’t need the money. We may if it proves profitable. We have  a surplus in the balance of payments, so we don’t need foreign currency. We will borrow if it proves to be cheaper than borrowing locally. So far, it is not the case, if you factor in exchange rate movements.

QU: How well do you think the international rating and investment banking community understands the Egyptian turn-around?
They do. Invariably, the ratings agencies understand it a bit late. So if it’s ready in  January,  they’ll figure it out by December. There is always a delay, either because they are wilfully late out of caution, or just because these things are so much to take in, and it takes time to absorb.

The clever investor is the one who senses the wind earlier than the rating agency and comes in  before we become the flavour of the month. Increasingly we have big large international investors coming to snoop around and ask for investment opportunities, and asking what can be done, and where can they put their money.

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